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mid.ru Question (retranslated from Chinese): Thank you for taking the time to meet with us amidst your demanding schedule. We understand that President Vladimir Putin is currently travelling to China. You were also in Beijing in April this year. Our relations are at an unprecedentedly high level. How have we achieved this? What breakthroughs are most anticipated in the stages ahead?
Sergey Lavrov: Answering this question is rendered easier by the fact that a special video address by President Vladimir Putin to the Chinese leadership and to the Chinese people was recently broadcast on the occasion of his upcoming visit, which begins on May 19. It provides a succinct characterisation of relations between Russia and China. It fully coincides with the assessments expressed by President of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping and other representatives of the Chinese leadership.
These are perhaps the most stable relations between two great powers in the modern world. They are founded on the principles of mutual respect, mutual benefit, and consideration of each other’s interests. Any issues are addressed in such a way as to ensure a balance of these interests. This lends equilibrium and stability to relations between two great neighbours, but at the same time it lends stability to international relations as well, given the turbulence that is currently tearing apart virtually all regions of the world, including our Eurasian continent.
The relations rest on a very solid material foundation. For several years now, trade turnover has significantly exceeded $200 billion. At its core, of course, lies energy. Russia is the largest supplier of pipeline natural gas to the People’s Republic of China. We are among the leading suppliers of liquefied natural gas and coal. Quite recently, we finalised an agreement on the construction of the largest gas pipeline, Power of Siberia 2. The Far Eastern Route is also under discussion.
Naturally, beyond hydrocarbon energy, we have close cooperation in all aspects of the peaceful use of nuclear energy, in space, and in high technology in general.
This solid material foundation is very successfully and organically reinforced by a shared vision for the development of humanity, embodied in the initiatives of President Xi Jinping and in the proposals that our President advances regarding the development of the Eurasian continent and the global economy and politics as a whole.
Question (retranslated from Chinese): We understand that President Vladimir Putin is currently en route to China. This is a very important event for us. From the perspective of Moscow’s sovereign interests, what significance does this visit hold for “Russia’s development in the Far East,” for industrial and technological development? How do you view this?
Sergey Lavrov: This visit (for all its importance) is an anniversary one. It is dedicated to the 25th anniversary of our most important Treaty of Neighbourliness, Friendship, and Cooperation between China and Russia. But this is merely one episode in our relations.
We regard the People’s Republic of China as our largest neighbour and principal economic partner. We take all these circumstances into account when planning the development of our territories, including those regions of the Russian Federation adjacent to China – the Far East, and, above all, Southern Siberia.
We are now actively strengthening our technological alliance. China possesses technologies that help the Russian Federation overcome the artificial, illegal difficulties created by the West. We are actively pursuing the same course of ensuring our technological independence, our technological sovereignty.
As recent events show – in which the West reveals the essence of its policy, no longer masking it in the slightest – both China and Russia must rely primarily on our own strength and on our fraternal solidarity. Thus, there is a mutual interest here. You see, the German automotive industry is now in a profound crisis, while Chinese cars have become the most popular in Russia. This is one indicator of what we say: “Nature abhors a vacuum.”
If the West, the capitalists, suddenly decided that they would impose sanctions, would not buy something from China, would not sell something to Russia, and that the economies of China and the Russian Federation would face insurmountable problems – this is a delusion. Great powers and peoples, such as the Russian and Chinese cannot be enslaved. Yet those in the West still seek to subjugate everyone to their will, one and all. We are on the right path.
Question (retranslated from Chinese): You just mentioned that this year marks the 25th anniversary of the founding treaty between Russia and China. During your visit to China in April, you stated that Russian-Chinese relations had reached an unprecedented level. Could you expand on what you meant by that?
Sergey Lavrov: I cannot claim authorship of this assessment. It was articulated by our leaders – President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin and President of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping – during their regular discussions over the past two years.
These positions have become increasingly clear and well defined. President Xi Jinping stated that we are entering an era of changes unprecedented in the last century, emphasising the need for a fair resolution of international issues. He also underscored that Russia and China should be firmly recognised in our joint documents as strategic partners committed to comprehensive, multifaceted cooperation across the board. This role has now been clearly established.
What matters most is not even the terminology used to describe our relations, but the attitude of people themselves. It is clear that not only residents of the border regions, but people throughout Russia and the People’s Republic of China respect one another and value this cooperation.
Another festival is currently taking place in Harbin. The years 2026 and 2027 have been designated as the Years of Russia-China Cooperation in Education. Around 60,000 Chinese students are studying at Russian universities, while more than 20,000 Russians are enrolled at Chinese universities. Numerous cultural and sporting events are also being held. All of this creates a strong foundation at the human level. When such mutual sentiment exists within both societies, politicians are able to work far more effectively toward achieving their objectives, including advancing the interests of Russia and China on the international stage.
Question (retranslated from Chinese): You just mentioned that the world is entering an era of change unprecedented in the last century. At many international forums, you have also spoken about the accelerating shift toward a multipolar international order. We see the brilliant work of organisations such as the SCO, in which Russia and China play key roles, as well as BRICS. The countries of the Global South are increasingly paying attention to the positions of Russia and China. How do Russia and China envision the future of the international system, and what role do they see themselves playing in shaping it together with other countries?
Sergey Lavrov: Russia and China, as two major powers, play a stabilising role in the international arena within the framework of their bilateral relations. China has already become the world’s leading economy, while Russia ranks fourth globally in terms of purchasing power parity. At the same time, our country holds fifth place worldwide in the contribution of industrial output to GDP. The fact that we, together with our Chinese partners, are among the top five rapidly developing nations creates both advantages and stability for our countries as well as for our mutual relations.
After World War II, Russia and China already emerged as pillars of a new world order founded on the principles of the UN Charter. These principles remain sound and relevant today, despite the fact that Western countries have consistently failed to implement them fully or respect principles of sovereign equality and non-interference in the internal affairs of states. Nevertheless, these lofty ideals are enshrined in the UN Charter, and we firmly oppose any attempts to revise or reinterpret it in order to justify the “necessary” adventures of our Western counterparts.
As new centres of economic growth – particularly, China, India, Brazil, and several African nations – began developing at an accelerated pace, the West gradually lost its ability to maintain colonial and neocolonial methods [of dominance]. Countries of the Global South and East increasingly demanded an end to an economic system where raw materials and natural resources were seized from them while the added value was, and continues to be, generated in Western economies. As a result, the global order began to change objectively – and this transformation did not occur because someone arbitrarily declared the world multipolar; it arose from objective realities.
Now the forces in the global economy have been redistributed, and this redistribution is going on. We believe that this new balance of power must also be reflected in the international institutions created after World War II. Those include the UN Security Council, which should be reformed through expanding representation of countries from Asia, Africa, and Latin America. It also applies to the Bretton Woods institutions, where the number of votes held by BRICS countries do not reflect their actual weight in the global economy. However, Western nations are doing everything to prevent justice being established here.
The organisations you mentioned – BRICS, the SCO, the EAEU, ASEAN, the African Union, and CELAC – have likewise become multilateral centres shaping the emerging global economy. They are enhancing their capabilities and increasingly reducing dependence on the dollar as the global reserve currency. Russia and China, for instance, have already fully converted their trade to rubles and yuan. Similar trends can also be observed in Latin America, in our relations with other Eurasian states, and among the countries of ASEAN and the SCO.
This means a simple thing: the financial and economic system led by the West after World War II can no longer function in a way that guarantees continued benefit for Western countries. Other states have begun outperforming the West within the very system and according to the very rules originally established by the United States and its Western allies.
What we are witnessing today in the form of sanctions, the seizure of sovereign states, and even attempts at intervention is, above all, a manifestation of unfair and dishonest competition. The West increasingly relies on such methods across many sectors – economy, technology, trade, and sports, where athletes from certain countries are suddenly excluded from international competitions. This is a very serious issue. Fear of competition, which reflects the West’s awareness of its declining influence over global affairs, is clearly evident in these actions.
Like China, Russia does not seek to harm, punish, or wage war against anyone. However, we will firmly defend our interests and legitimate rights, as the Russian Federation is currently doing. China’s stance on Taiwan has also been clearly articulated and, as I understand it, was reaffirmed during the recent visit by US President Donald Trump and his discussions with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing.
The world is changing – and it is undeniably becoming multipolar. Some now argue that this multipolarity could descend into chaos, claiming that following the collapse of the Soviet Union there was a single dominant power maintaining order, whereas the future may consist of disorderly and fragmented movements. Neither Russia nor China accepts such predictions. We do not want the dominance of one group of countries to be replaced by chaos. Instead, we are interested in building normal relations among all states, including between the SCO and BRICS – the structures where both Russia and China participate.
Chinese President Xi Jinping has proposed several initiatives, including the Global Security Initiative and the Global Governance Initiative. Our vision for Eurasian security and the Greater Eurasian Partnership was presented in speeches delivered by Russian President Vladimir Putin. These initiatives complement one another; their central objective is to harmonise all integration processes taking place across the Eurasian continent. This explains the growing interaction between the SCO and ASEAN, as well as the agreement between the EAEU and China aimed at coordinating approaches to Eurasian integration and advancing the Belt and Road Initiative.
Both Russia and China seek a stable and orderly multipolar world. Once again, I would like to emphasise that there is no need to invent new principles for such a system, with the UN Charter already providing a fully adequate foundation for a just multipolar world order. The point is that, until recently, the West simply ignored these principles. The task now is to restore their relevance and translate them into practical action.
Question (retranslated from Chinese): My next question is related to a vital topic for Russia, that of the special military operation. We have witnessed really powerful strikes by the AFU on the territory of the Russian Federation. I would like to know which strategic objectives have been achieved in the special military operation. Which conditions should a political window of opportunities ideally meet to put an end to this conflict?
If I may, I would also ask something about the Anchorage meeting. There was talk that there exists a “formula” that can help resolve the issues. However, we see the “formula” remains unused. What alignment do you think could be made regarding Anchorage and Ukraine? What further developments can we expect in this context?
Sergey Lavrov: The developments in Ukraine are rooted in the restoration of historical justice.
When the Soviet Union was established following the Great October Revolution of 1917, all inherently Russian lands as well as those in Western Ukraine, Belarus and the lands of other peoples whose republics joined the USSR, were united in a single country. A lot has been written about it. The Russian people, who used to always live in Crimea and in the southeast of the territory which ultimately became the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, ended up in different constituent entities of the Soviet Union. Nobody could ever imagine the Soviet Union would disintegrate. This is common knowledge.
However, when that happened – and the West had made fairly serious efforts for this to occur – Russians found themselves living abroad. Nobody planned to make drastic actions because Ukraine, upon seceding the Soviet Union, adopted a declaration stating that that it would forever be a non-bloc, neutral and nuclear-free state. They announced a policy to ensure the rights and interest of the Russian and all other ethnic minorities. And if those “mantras” – and they appear to have been just mantras – were followed up on, no one would ever think of a special military operation which has among it major objective the restoration of language and educational rights of Russians and Russian-speakers. Religious rights have also been banned by law.
The second objective was to prevent Ukraine, which is lead by the Nazis following the February 2014 coup d’etat, from turning into a permanent threat on the borders of the Russian Federation.
There are no ideal comparisons. But the Russian people was divided. I mean the Russian people as a concept of the Russian world. Many Ukrainians and other ethnicities who have lived in Ukraine’s southeast consider themselves to be part of Russian culture as much as the multi-ethnic people of the Russian Federation is united by Russian culture.
We recently marked the Day of Indigenous Peoples of Russia. President Putin addressed their representatives. And now imagine that the in part of our geopolitical space that has always belonged to the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union and suddenly found itself abroad, they decided to build military bases, pump the post-coup Ukraine with modern weapons and bluntly incite it against the Russian Federation.
I firmly believe that you, in China, understand us very well because you have Taiwan which is also an inseparable and inalienable part of the Chinese state. Under Joe Biden, there were persistent attempts to “pump up” Taiwan with weapons and militarise it while making every effort to support the forces who opposed reunification with the Chinese people albeit being part of it. The historical situations are different, yet the principle that we both reject is pretty clear – to set our compatriots against us. Our objective is to thwart Ukraine’s militarisation and its Nazification, to eliminate threats to the Russian Federation from its territory. We recognized Ukraine as a non-nuclear, non-bloc and neutral state. We did not recognise a Ukraine that is now being drawn into NATO.
You asked about Anchorage. America under Donald Trump is the only nation that admits the need to eliminate the root causes – no joining the alliance, and recognition of the realities on the ground resulting from the referendums held in response to the coup d’etat. We have agreed with this approach.
Another thing: Europe, including Zelensky, immediately started badgering Washington. They were practically hanging off the shoulders of the Trump administration and US officials during the Russia-Ukraine negotiations, demanding that the Americans change course.
From what I can tell, the US has already lost some of its interest and energy. They’re saying openly, “Let Europe deal with Ukraine. We’ll deal with China.” That’s become the standard line.
We will achieve our goals, no matter what. But now we’re seeing certain European figures – so-called politicians – start to say, “Well, we’ll think about it. Maybe at some point we can talk to the Russian Federation. But we’ll decide when and about what.” And honestly, that tells you everything. It marks them out as people with no real position, no principles – small-time politicians. They can’t see beyond the horizon. All they can do is drag up the past of their fathers and grandfathers. Mostly grandfathers.
In particular, the Nazi spirit is stirring again in Germany. Once more, the country wants to gather all of Europe under its banner. A Nazi flag has already been handed to Zelensky. It’s all happening again. No one truly learned the lessons of history.
And on that point, I want to add something else. We are tired of reminding Europeans – at conferences where their delegations are present, along with UN staff, including the Secretary-General, and OSCE staff – that Ukraine is the only country in the world where language and religion are legally banned.
No other country has banned a language. In Israel, you can speak Arabic and Farsi. Hebrew isn’t banned in Iran. There are synagogues there that no one destroys – unlike the Ukrainian regime, which arrests priests of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and destroys their property. Can you imagine banning a language? And then some of those “statesmen,” appearing to be building trust, say: “Believe us, once serious negotiations begin, once a settlement is reached, we will demand that the restoration of Russian language rights and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church be part of that settlement.”
You know what? That’s a scam. Because this isn’t about negotiations. It’s Article 1 of the UN Charter that demands respect for human rights, regardless of race, gender, language, or religion. That’s not something you negotiate. It’s part of your credentials as a decent person, a decent member of the international community. And yet they’re trying to turn these things into bargaining chips. That’s what we’re trying to get across.
We are steadily pursuing the objectives of the special military operation. President Putin has said many times: we are not using the means we could, because we don’t want to cause unnecessary damage to territories where, by and large, our own people live – people the Nazis are trying to crush. Around 80 communities were liberated in 2026, including 35 in March and April alone. The process continues.
We have always been open to negotiations. You thought the issue was dead and buried after Anchorage – but it isn’t. We still have channels of communication with US representatives. If they are ready at some point to resume direct talks, it will be worth hearing how they see the situation that has developed since Anchorage. Especially after our President accepted the US President’s proposal there. I’d like to know why things are playing out like this. Soon it will be a year since the Alaska summit. There has been no progress – not even a shift in the behaviour of Zelensky or the Europeans. On the contrary, they are getting more aggressive and more brazen by the day. We’ll be taking that into account.